This episode delivered big time!!
- Boy, Tyrion could talk his way into getting anything he wants. I love how when he knew Ser Jorah was too much of a liability, he quickly figured out a way to get rid of Jorah without getting him killed; whilst preserving Dany’s integrity with her people and simultaneously drawing himself closer to being one of Dany’s trusted advisors and also giving him access to wine.
- Wow!!! Cersei is in hot water!!! Fornication, Treason, Incest and the murder of King Robert! That could be basically everything she’s done wrong…However, I think the incest part is only with Lancel. I don’t think it includes relations and children with Jaime.
Here’s my logic on this:
S5E7, Lady Olenna told Baelish if ‘If my house should fall, I will have nothing to hide.’ Lady Margaery is part of that house, so I think this also goes for Margaery losing her crown as queen as well.
The whole point for why Joffrey was murdered was so Margaery could retain the crown later on by marrying Tommen and give House Tyrell power and heirs in the Crownlands.
This means Tommen has to stay legitimate and nothing can happen to him. Therefore he can’t be exposed as the child of Jaime and Cersei.
Therefore, Cersei cannot be exposed as having incest with Jaime.
If we follow Roberto’s theory (A Pod of Casts S5E7 The Gift Podcast) about Baelish blackmailing Lancel:
This means to me Baelish blackmailed Lancel into only admitting he had incest with Cersei or he would tell the High Sparrow additionally that Cersei had incest with Jaime and the King would become illegitimate which will bring shame and ruin over House Lannister and cost them the Throne and Stannis would end up being the rightful King. Kevan Lannister would also probably kill Lancel for doing that.
- It appears then that the narrative revolves around what does the Faith of the Seven charge Margaery as punishment for perjury if she throws herself on Mother’s Mercy before a Trial?
- If it’s death then Tommen has to step and do something (as you guys said last podcast). However, he appears to be cowering behind closed doors with no appetite. That leaves Qyburn using the Mountain to crash through dungeon doors to rescue Margaery and Cersei like the Kool Aid Pitcher in the Kool Aid commercials. Or if Tommen gets some courage in his anger and despair, that leads to a battle between the crown and the Faith Militant.
- The other way this can go is Margaery will be released and still be Queen. Cersei ends up facing whatever the punishment is for incest with Lancel only and the regicide of Robert. Tommen remains in Power. Cersei goes along with this because nothing will happen to her legacy (son and daughter) or her brother. She may end using Trial by Combat to escape a court ruling and use Qyburn’s version of the Mountain as her proxy.
- Tyrion has balls. Dany debated whether to execute him or not and he says if she chooses to allow him to live one day he would tell her why he killed his father, however he would need more wine then what they are drinking.
- I loved the logic the Wildlings have with Jon Snow and vice versa. The Wildings are still frenemies to each other and now with Men the Night’s Watch.
- Valyrian steel kills White Walkers! Awesome!!
- This was the most intense, fast paced, muddy, gory battles I have ever witnessed on this show! I loved every bit of it!
- The King of the White Walkers raising the dead in front of Jon Snow and the Wildlings was eerie powerful and reinforced Jon Snow’s line about the Wildings joining the Army of the Undead!!
- Sansa now has something that Ramsay doesn’t know; that she knows her brothers are probably still alive! The longer she keeps that a secret, the longer Theon stays alive.
For me most of the bad is with Cersei and the stuff happening at King’s Landing.
- Cersei says to Qyburn of the High Sparrow ‘I made him. I rose him up from nothing’. If that is the case (and the High Sparrow only became powerful from Cersei and not by the populace around them) then this is simplistic soap opera type of writing for me. I am finding it hard to believe that Cersei would so quickly be able to give the High Sparrow and his flock more power than the City Watch and then allow for the Queen and then herself to end up in jail. It makes her look like an idiot who doesn’t know how to use her absolute power rather than delusional about the extent of her power and I think the show runners were going for delusional and failed.
- In order for Cersei to be delusional in her assessment of her perceived power, as others have put it so brilliantly here, the show runners need to show the reality of the High Sparrow’s ascension to a place of power by helping the population of Westeros on his own; prior to his involvement with Cersei.
- We need to see people being in trouble and being assisted by the Sparrows (especially after Rob Stark’s assassination in the Riverlands at the end of Season Three.) Unfortunately we have never been provided more than one scene of them doing this over the past two seasons. One scene of the High Sparrow serving up soup to the poor in Season Five doesn’t cut it. We need the interactions and opinions in a number of scenes from the populace to establish his power over the populace; how disenfranchised they feel about their feudal fueled circumstances and to show what a moral, well intentioned man he is. If the Show runners had built up the ascension of the sparrows using the details provided by @Syrio would have brought out how delusional Cersei is being right now.
- The stuff above would only help establish how powerful the High Sparrow is with the people, however it still doesn’t give us the extent of the power the Faith Militant have over the land which in turn better establishes how delusional Cersei is being. What we needed additional was a formal royal decree announcing the Faith Militant have more power than the City Watch, so it is established. Otherwise you are left saying, why doesn’t the City Watch or King’s Guard bust Cersei (or Queen Margaery) out of Jail?
- Ser Kevan is now Hand of the King, so I think his logical his first order of business is to find this Royal Decree enacted by Cersei and discuss it’s redaction with the King.
- Speaking of the King, I don’t understand why Tommen is so stupid and feels so powerless. Doesn’t he know the King’s orders reinstated the Faith Militant? If he knows this can’t he also decree an order that dismantles them as well? Again, this goes back to what the decree about the reinstatement of the Faith Militant actually allows.
- What is the Mother’s Mercy for Ser Loras, Queen Margaery and Dowager Queen Cersei? The High Sparrow said the punishment depends upon the acts themselves and the degree of contrition. I would say Cersei has no contrition whatsoever so she stands the worst chance of fairing well (as far as the Mother’s Mercy goes). What if the woman she threatened in this episode and last represents the Mother’s mercy? Oh boy!!
- What does Dany mean by She’s going to ‘Break the Wheel’? Does she mean eliminate King’s Landing or the Iron Throne? We have seen it in ashes a couple of times already. Once in Bran’s sights and another time when Dany saw it in the Tower of the Warlock.
- Why does Jorah want to fight for Dany? What will that prove? What will it accomplish?
- I suppose Ollie is an ally now to Samwell and Gilly?
- Why did Theon/Reek tell Sansa he didn’t kill Bran and Rickon? Is it because he’s been broken by Ramsay in a way that makes him tell the truth and feel shame and deserving of punishment for killing those farm boys? The confession did provide Sansa with hope about her family and her situation. If Ramsay ever finds out won’t that lead to him being beaten or killed by Ramsay? I don’t think Sansa would ever tell Ramsay she knows her brothers are alive, however Reek might tell Ramsay he told Sansa the truth about the Stark boys right?
- Will Sansa ever tell Baelish her brothers are still alive?
- If the Snow’s so deep an army couldn’t get through (according to Lord Bolton), how is Stannis going to lay siege to Winterfell? Wouldn’t it be equally difficult for his army to attack Winterfell?
- What precisely is Ramsay going to do with 20 men to Stannis?
- How many Wildlings were at Hardhome before the battle? I believe Jon only was able to rescue 5K of them right?
- How many Wildings are now amongst the dead and how many are at the Wall right now? There’s supposed to be 100K total. It’s unclear how many are currently at the Wall. Are there more Wildlings hidden in some other areas as well in the North? Shouldn’t there be more giants?
- If Bran or Rickon are ever found alive how does affect Sansa’s value over Winterfell?
- Where is Stannis getting his supplies from? Castle Black?
- Will Lana (Arya) be successful at her first hit for the Many Faced God?
I think the White Walker King wins this week’s Game of Thrones.